I think that singer-songwriter Josh Ritter is not only a talented musician, but inspirational for his authenticity and his enthusiasm for all artistic endeavors. And he’s endlessly quotable, too. As I was working on story about his upcoming Asheville show — he’s on tour in support of his new album, The Beast In Its Tracks — I realized there just were too many insightful, inspirational (and sometimes just plain funny) quotes to not transcribe the full conversation.

Alli Marshall: You’re a singer-songwriter, a bandleader and a novelist. We’ve talked about all of that in the past…
Josh Ritter: There’s no consequence if you do something wrong, if you make something that people don’t like. I enjoy being around people, in general, in life, who are willing to take chances without being so precious about it. Art is a biological thing that comes out of us. We’re biological, we’re messy. And that’s the stuff that’s usually the most entertaining and cool. I don’t see why we should just do music or prose, or anything. Mostly, it should just be fun, you know?
I never felt like I was going to be the guy who was winning Grammy awards and being on the cover of Rolling Stone. You have to have different hair than I do, and wear skinnier pants. I definitely come at it from the idea that making art is something that, historically, you do so you can make more art. There’s not too much more than that except just trying to have a life like everybody else.
Are you saying that having a life like everybody is the goal?
That is the goal. I do believe you should have the chance to have a family and not be like what you see in movies, being a musician on the road, having trouble. You’re all tortured. It seems like people make the best stuff when they’re happiest, and they’re happiest when they’re involved with a group of people like family and friends who are supportive of each other. You shouldn’t have to go without because you’re some sort of rider on the range.
Yeah, but I also believe that we really need to see musicians and artists live extraordinary lives. They’re are our archetypes and our heroes. We need for them to remind us of our own potential.
We all should be lucky enough to see people in our lives who are going for it. Being on stage is like life. You’re on stage for two hours. Stuff falls over, shit falls apart, words get forgotten, a lot of fuel is expended on stage. Things happen that aren’t expected and everybody rolls with it. The show isn’t over if I forget something, or if I should fall into the drum set. The show goes on and that makes it exciting. If you’re playing in a place where the power goes out, you don’t put away your instruments, you figure out a way to finish the show. I need to see that when I see somebody else play because I need to know that my life is going to go on if something happens.
I wouldn’t have gotten into music if I hadn’t seen someone like Neil Young. I think that’s really, really cool. What he’s doing is amazing, and how does he do that. Or Tom Petty. How does Tom Petty write a song? When I was a kid, we’d watch the NBA finals. I loved the Pistons. I’d never see the end of a game, because before it ended, I go out and start playing basketball, I was so fired up.
But I also think, the fact is, I can’t do any math. I had to charm my way through 15 years of math, because I can’t do it. I admire, so much, anyone who can sit down and do these thing. I think they’re these superheroes who do things that may seem mundane, but everybody’s an artist at something.
I’ve been thinking about the way you use rhythms — that sort of ragtime feel — and how you write, too. How what you do is so intrinsically your own style, but it’s also — and I don’t mean this to sound unkind — really white. You know? Which could seem square. By sticking to your own sound, I think you appeal to people and you’ve earned a great following. But I wonder if there was ever a point when you wanted to sound different, if you were concerned with coming across as cooler, for lack of a better word.
People go out and chase followers, and they do all kinds of crazy things, trying to be a leader by making people like them. I’ve always been a big fan of Teddy Roosevelt — I think he was the most original person to become president. He just didn’t how how to be anything different. He trusted that whatever it was that he was, was good enough for what he needed to do. I’ve always looked up to him for that. And he’s a weirdo. Truly a weirdo who appreciated his weirdness.
With music, there are all different kinds of ways you can go. I live in Williamsburg, in Brooklyn. The hippest place in the world. It’s very easy to start to second guess what you do with all the music around and all the fashion and all that stuff. I tend to dress fairly plainly because that, to me, feels more true that buying a new set of things every week. I feel the same way with the music. I’m not going to be a flag, I’m going to be a pole. My music comes from a deep, deep well of American music. Scott Joplin — which was very black music. And all the stuff coming out of Storyville and ragtime, which, got appropriated by all kinds of people. Merle Travis, for one. Elizabeth Cotton and Odetta, who was the one I learned to finger-pick from. She had an amazing finger-picking style, and she’s a great arranger. I feel like everything becomes an influence at some point. But I do think that by sticking to your guns and doing things if they feel right, hopefully you can be a rock in the current.
I thought it was interesting that the record has 13 tracks, and I wondered if that was intentional.
With anything in terms of the record, like how it was set up, I tried to go chronologically. But it just ended up that [13] was as many tracks as I felt like it really took, and I put them in the order that I thought would make a good record, but it weren’t necessarily adhering closely to the storyline. I really thought I’d start out from the depths, from the absolute hole, and move outward from there so the end would be this hopeful ending. But really, it just didn’t work out that way. It didn’t flow from one song to the next. An album and a show are somewhat the same: they should have a rise and fall and kind of a narrative. This only felt right if “Certain Light” came after “Evil Eye.” It felt more fun that way. It’s amazing how an album can drag if it’s not track listed right. That’s something I really enjoy doing. I love doing set lists, too. If you get them right, they really skip along and you can do all kinds of things you wouldn’t be able to do if you were playing long boring song after long boring song. This way, you can stick in some long boring songs and it’ll still be alright.
I don’t know, Josh. That sounds a lot like math. Like some special field of math.
(Laughs.) Yeah, that’s as close as I can get.
Honestly, I was kind of afraid to listen to this album at first, just because I didn’t want to go to a dark place. But it’s not dark. It’s actually really beautiful and even fun.
When I started writing, they were angry, angry angry songs. I was thinking about this tradition of breakup records and one of the things I found that I really didn’t like about a lot of them is that they’re unrelenting. It stops being like, “I want to tell you something,” and becomes someone who knocks on your door and starts yelling at you. Or, like someone’s torturing a raccoon. I recorded some that I didn’t put on the record. Some, like “Nightmares” I put on, that I thought were important to have. But I also thought, if this is a record like a time frame. I can’t leave off the happy ones. If the happy ones are there, they must be as much a part of this time as the sad ones. I just didn’t want to cherry pick the emotions.
I figure it’s good to have some happier songs, too, because when you go on tour and play them night after night, you might not want to revisit those sad memories. Or does writing and recording the songs help you transcend those experiences?
It does. Once they’re written and recorded and you’ve crossed that Rubicon and they’re out there in the world… If I had the constitution that broke down when I sing songs, I wouldn’t be able to do it. There is a lot of pain. There’s an almost painful amount of happiness in some. I think the only way to do it is, once you’re there on stage, is to sing to people, not sing for them. I don’t want to be on stage to be different from everybody. I want to be part of it. Maybe it’s the only way I can be part of a group without being painfully embarrassed.